I was shocked to hear this self-righteous, prideful and downright deplorable announcement from John Corapi (at Mark Shea's blog).
Corapi apparently is throwing in the towel as regards the whole priesthood thing. However, he is not throwing in the towel as far as marketing himself. He has decided to go it without the Church. He is now the "Black Sheep Dog", an apparent source of truth, even though he admits quite audaciously that he has separated himself from the source of all truth, the Holy Catholic Church.
Now it could be argued that Corapi doesn't say, outright, "I'm leaving the Church." However, many of his comments, especially the comment that he is now going to speak to a wider audience, and that he is going to continue some sort of "ministry" without the sanction of the Church, indicates that he is practically separating himself from the Church. His rather self-aggrandizing statement that he's going to feed and guard the entire world sounds as though he's actually starting his own religion. What's more he is doing so while at the same time attacking the Church and Her bishops, and never indicates that he intends to stay loyal or obedient to the Church's Magisterium. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
There is also the behavior of his followers. The damage in this regard is already widespread and quite serious. A number of Corapi followers have announced on his Facebook fan page that they too are leaving the Catholic Church to stick with their idol as he begins a new phase of error and conceit. At the beginning of Lent I lamented the fact that John Corapi was attacking the Church, and I wrote that nothing good would come of it. Now we are seeing the fruits. People are leaving the Church to follow this little devil.
Once again, I reiterate my initial criticism of the EWTN, novus ordo Catholic, mindset that creates these celebrity priests, foists them on the faithful as pristine sources of spiritual and doctrinal guidance without thought to the real peril to souls such actions can initiate. There's little modern mainstream Catholics have, though, if they wish to deepen their faith. In the sacerdotal vacuum created after the Second Vatican Council, a vacuum created by the tossing out of our Catholic identity and Catholic Tradition, authentic spiritual enrichment has been lost. Modern Catholics are often left floundering in the desert of the novus ordo Church, with its bad liturgy, kitsch music and art, and the cult of priestly personality.
Isn't it time to give Tradition a try? A real and potent solution to the sacerdotal vacuum that has been created in the wake of Vatican II is Tradition. If mainstream Catholics attempt to fill this vacuum with the these celebrity priests, these counterfeits foisted on us by EWTN, not only will they not be satisfied, but they could very well be putting their souls in jeopardy. Imagine! People are leaving the Church to follow a man who styles himself the "Black Sheep Dog". Is there a clearer indication of how spiritually bankrupt the modern, mainstream Catholic has become?
On the other hand, the Traditional Latin Mass and its commensurate spirituality can satisfy the modern longing to live a devout Catholic faith. At the Traditional Latin Mass man turns toward the Person of Christ. Jesus Christ is not at the center, He is at the forefront, in an exalted position, as He should be, and man faces Him and adores Him. There is no "center". There is only God being worshiped by His creatures.
No, not all traditional Catholics are perfect. Many have fallen. But they have fallen in contradiction to their values, in contradiction to the principles at the heart of traditional Catholicism. The John Corapis of the world have fallen because they have taken the cult of man, that has been given a prominent position in the new order of the Mass and in the modern Church, to its logical conclusion. Those who follow the John Corapis of the world into perdition do so because they have not been fed, and can no longer distinguish the authentic from the counterfeit.
I will say a prayer for John Corapi, as I did at the beginning of Lent. I will also say a prayer for those who are following him to their destruction. And I will take this seriously, because, whether John Corapi likes it or not, there is no salvation outside the Church.
Where did he say he was leaving the Church? I think the whole thing is deplorable but I couldn't find anything about him leaving the Church.
ReplyDeleteIn Jesus,
David
I did update the post. Hopefully I have explained myself better.
ReplyDeleteI just listened to Corapi's broadcast. How bizarre. Is it going to be another Matthew Fox situation?
ReplyDeleteAmong other reasons, this is why I'm not into priest hero worship.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Talk about attacking the Church...
ReplyDeleteI don't know. Matthew Fox had practically left the Church years before he officially announced he had.
ReplyDeleteDear David,
ReplyDeleteIsn't this somewhat similar to the argument of sedevacantists ("walks like a duck et c")? Is it really appropriate to jump to such conclusions based on the tone of the message? Of course it's deplorable to speak out like that, of course it leaves doubt as to the fidelity to the Church of Father Corapi, but are we really at the point where we can with such certainty say that he has cut himself off from the Church? If so, why wouldn't the sedevacantist argument work, versus for instance John Salza's arguments contra sedevacantism?
Know that I'm not out to defend the deplorable behavior of Corapi, I am merely concerned about the implications of this sort of "reading between the lines" in matters of Church jurisdiction and discipline. We don't have to listen to him, we can even oppose listening to him because of this strange behavior, but are we really entitled to consider him an excommunicate at this point?
In Jesus,
David
I'm certainly not excommunicating the man. I haven't that authority. I'm simply pointing out the implications of what he has said.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I understand your parallel between what I've written and the sedevacantist argument. The sedevacantist denies what is right before his eyes. Corapi indicated quite clearly that he is prepared to act in a manner that by its very nature is outside the Church. He has stated that he will continue his ministry in a capacity that is outside the jurisdiction of the Church without the intention of serving the Church.
When Fr. Pfleger says exactly the same thing, people were wondering what Protestant denomination he was going to join. Fr. Corapi has said the same thing, but in his case it may make more sense for sales to keep the Catholic facade intact, however, can we honestly sit here and say there is an essential difference between the two announcements? For the good of souls we should interpret Corapi's announcement in the same way that Cardinal George interpreted Pfleger's initial comments.
Leaving the priesthood is one thing. To leave the priesthood to pursue a ministry outside the Church... well, Martin Luther did that, didn't he?
Dear David,
ReplyDeleteI didn't say you were excommunicating him. I asked if we are justified to regard him as an excommunicate, which you must admit that you do (one can't separate from the Church without incurring excommunication). Is there not enough ambiguity in his comments to create a positive doubt? Fr Pfleger is not really a case-in-point since he said quite matter-of-factly that he would be leaving the Church and look for some sort of priestly ministry elsewhere. Has Corapi claimed to continue priestly ministry on his own or is he just using the terminology of the modern Church where everything and anything is a ministry?
The sede comparison is that this type of argument is used by sedes all the time ("walks like a duck" et c) but the question is not so much a matter of fact (Have the Popes of recent times said things which seem difficult to reconcile with Tradition? I think all Traditionalists would agree with the sedes on this point.) but a matter of principle (Is there reason for some doubt in regards intention, what is actually meant by the statements, is there room for inculpable error et c? And if there is even some reason to doubt then we are pushed back into canonical inquiry, which the sedes have no jurisdiction to perform as little as we do.). So to cut things short, is there a possibility that you are reading something into these statements that is not there? Is it possible that he means something else.
Of course, I would advise anyone to stay away from this "Black Sheepdog" and listening to him, since it does seem to be quite a danger of audacious opposition to legitimate authority, but is it really a case of schism at this point? Maybe, but I don't know yet. I would urge the Bishop with jurisdiction to start a canonical inquiry.
In Jesus,
David
I think it interesting that all the comments about this post, both here and at the Facebook fan page, most of which are seething with indignation to the extent I'm just deleting them, are concerned by my "criticism" of John Corapi. Dozens of people have accused me of the usual "who are you?!?" over my summation of the obvious implications of Corapi's comments.
ReplyDelete(I actually think this is very humorous in its irony. I'm being criticized for criticizing! I may have to write a post about that.)
However, not a single comment has been about what I consider the most controversial element of the post: the spiritual bankruptcy of the average modern, mainstream Catholic. I actually agonized over that, thinking I might be going too far. After all, there doesn't seem, in this day and age, to be a greater sin than being "judgmental". However, everyone is more concerned about Fr. Corapi than what I'm saying about THEM.
Am I to conclude that that isn't so controversial after all? Perhaps you average modern, mainstream Catholics who stumble on this blog really do consider yourselves spiritually bankrupt?
Why did you see a need to implicate EWTN?..This is THE only catholic network and it has brought thousands of great catholic shows to the aide of many catholic and non catholic people..And Father's teaching were always in accord with orthodox catholic teaching.. Did that strike a cord with you?If you think EWTN has made showman out of priests..I can tell you of some priest who have never been on EWTN ,yet they are showmen at every mass they PERFORM!!It is all about them and not JESUS..
ReplyDeleteSpiritually bankrupt, confused, bewildered, grief-stricken.
ReplyDeleteCan I get a witness?
Once I saw something about someone being slowly poisoned with antifreeze; a man's spouse was putting dabs of it in his food. The man couldn't understand why he was getting progressively sicker. It was said that he probably did not taste anything, or tasted something sweet.
That's how it is in the mainstream of the Catholic Church. We may be given a hearty pot of beef stew, but we're slowly poisoned by a teaspoon of antifreeze here and there. We wonder why we're getting sick.
O God be merciful to us.
"Why did you see a need to implicate EWTN?..This is THE only catholic network"
ReplyDeleteSTOP! Exactly. That's a big problem, isn't it? EWTN is also carving out a virtual monopoly in Catholic news media. On the internet they have bought out CNA, and in print media they have bought out Nation Catholic Register. I've been watching with passive interest as EWTN has expanded itself over the years since Mother Angelica stepped aside as the CEO.
EWTN doesn't replace need for the shepherds of the Church to be the primary teachers, and EWTN certainly isn't perfect... not even close. Need I mention the inappropriate behavior of Fr. Stan or the scandalous moniker "Latin Lover of Our Lady"?? Do I need to point out a number of children's programs that were made by Protestants and contain Protestant doctrines? Just a couple of days ago I heard the whopper, "there's really not that much difference Protestants and Catholics", from the mouth of regular EWTN celebrity.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that EWTN is all bad. I like Doug Keck and Marcus Grodi. I like Fr. John Trigilio and others. I love Mother Angelica, and pray for her often. Mother Angelica, by the way, was never afraid to change her mind and admit mistakes, something that few of the priest celebrities and current staff at EWTN seem capable of doing; I suspect that if Mother was still in charge, we would see at the very least a weekly TLM on EWTN.
But Mother is no longer in charge, and the current EWTN powers that be cater to a particular audience, and that audience does not include traditional Catholics. This audience consists of politically leaning conservative Catholics (for the most part neo-conservatives), who are part and parcel of the novus ordo, mainstream. Thus, it would be kind of strange for you to expect me, the author of this traditional Catholic blog, to be pro-EWTN.
I'm not sure what you mean by:
"And Father's teaching were always in accord with orthodox catholic teaching.. Did that strike a cord with you?"
The content of Fr. Corapi's programs or previous writing is not being questioned, as I've already stated three months ago. Does your question imply that I'm opposed to orthodox Catholic teaching? Are you implying that I'm unorthodox? If so, please find what is unorthodox in the contents of this blog, or in what I have written for The Remnant Newspaper.
".I can tell you of some priest who have never been on EWTN ,yet they are showmen at every mass they PERFORM!!It is all about them and not JESUS.."
We're in agreement here. However, an honest evaluation of EWTN, Fr. Corapi and celebrity priests in general reveal that they are birds of a feather with the showman priest at the average Catholic parish. This re-enforces my observation that there is a spiritual bankruptcy in the modern novus ordo, mainstream.
This, however, isn't the disease. It is merely a symptom of the crisis the Church has found herself in this post-Vatican II era.
I should add that I think EWTN did do a good job handling the Corapi scandal at the outset. Immediately distancing themselves from him was the right thing to do. They learned their lesson from the David Stone scandal in which they attempted to apologize for him (or allow him to apologize through EWTN in an inappropriate way).
ReplyDeleteDear vile and crazy Corapi cultists,
ReplyDeleteI am plugging an agenda, which happens to be the glory of the Church, right worship, and adoration of the Holy Trinity. Christ's agenda isn't a bad thing, and I suggest you put this agenda before Corapi's.
No, I am not using this man's sufferings to do so. I don't know if he is suffering, and, to be honest, I really don't care. I don't care in pretty much the same way I wouldn't care about the sufferings of a criminal while he committing a crime.
The true suffering is what John Corapi is causing. It comes from the divisions this man is causing in the Church and the suffering of those souls that he is leading astray by flattery and load-mouthed boasting. If you want to cast your lot in with him, then more's the pity.
However, please don't waste your time posting vile comments here, because they will simply be deleted anyway.
I don't understand why people are saying Father Corapi has left the Church. His priestly faculties have been suspended and he is no longer to be called "Father". No where does he say he is leaving the Church. Actually, in my opinion, the Church is leaving him wihout giving him due process. As he said, the Church does not have to give that to him but it makes the accusation against him very weak. It also makes the priesthood a very dangerous vocation with no protection from the bishop. The bishop has told his religious community to do this against their wishes. How can a priest go to a bishop for guidance if this is the norm for dealing with this type of situation?
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of lay Catholics who speak in public. Nothing he has said or done has been condemned as far as Church teaching is concerned so he is free to continue speaking as he has in the past.
I think some people need to go back and read his statement without any personal bias. Many of the comments I have read on this blog and others has been very uncharitiable. He is a faithful servant of the Church. No accusation has been proven. He has just been hung out to dry on his own.
The worst thing he could do is abandon the priesthood, for then he cuts himself off at even an appeal. At the very least, he could live his life offering the Mass in private and prayer. Or if things didn't go that way, at least he could broadcast all the dirty details of the trial and expose the true culprits.
ReplyDeleteBut I also know that more and more people are unfairly accused, and it's no secret that Satan and certain Bishops wanted him GONE. Yet now he has almost no cards left to play, and unless he broadcasts the details, he's simply hiding behind a sheet, which doesn't make him look good.
I can understand any outrage and betrayal he feels, but after looking more carefully at his site I feel he's not being professional in his 'new approach'.
For example, on his About Me page, he lists as part of his Bio that he won a big medical lawsuit. What does this have to do with being a Priest? And there is an eerie lack of mentioning anything distinctively Catholic about his 'new approach' (e.g. "I will continue to boldly proclaim the Faith"). Lastly, his comments about his "fan base" is disturbing, for he's admittedly taking on celebrity status rather than Pastoral.
Then again, some are saying none of this is really being put out by Fr Corapi at all. Could this be a phony blog and/or hacked account?
Rumor has it from Corapi's old bishop that Corapi broke free for the 1012 election so he could talk more bluntly on political issues - and from this I take it means he's going to really slam the bishops for failing to do anything positive about Catholic people living and voting as Catholics.
ReplyDeleteThe following link also shows he's registered the BlackSheepDog trademark over a year ago, so this wasn't an immediate thing. Either he's smelled something coming for a while, or this was originally some side project.
http://www.patheos.com/community/deaconsbench/2011/06/19/following-the-black-sheep-dog-down-the-rabbit-hole/
The Bishop "emetrious" of Corpus Christi further thinks Corapi is first trying to clear his name through civil courts but has not really abandoned the priesthood:
http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/
Corpi said he has various lawyers and canon lawyers on his team, so this all very well could be something calculated and by no means the final word.
Then again, saying goodbye publicly on his blog is scandalous.
I'm sorry. i didn't mean that your blog didn't make sense. I meant that Corapi's story doesn't make sense. All the announcements come from Corapi. Including the one in April that said the restrictions his order placed on him left him free to make public addresses as long as he was not in clerical garb or had a Mass said. After I posted the comment, I figured out a scenario that did make sense. And if a dimwit like me can figure it out...
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